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Which is Safer: The Flu, or the Flu Shot?

admin October 7, 2014

After my recent post, Which is Safer: Vaccines or Illnesses? (which I focused on measles and the MMR), some people asked me to write a similar post about the flu.  It’s seasonally appropriate, as the flu shot push is on.  But is a flu shot really necessary?  Is it the best way to protect your family?  Let’s take a closer look.

Flu Shot Recommendations

Widespread use of the flu vaccine is relatively recent.  In 2002, it was recommended that people over 65, and children between 6 and 23 months should receive a flu shot.  Older children and adults were not recommended to get one, unless they were immunocompromised, health care workers, or otherwise at specific risk.

In 2000 – 2001, only infants and children with specific health conditions were recommended to get the flu shot.  In the early 2000s, anaphylactic allergy to egg proteins was a contraindication for receiving a flu shot.  People were also warned not to receive the live, attenuated virus (i.e. the FluMist) if they would be in contact with people at high risk, as it can shed.  The flu shot was recommended for pregnant women at this time.

In 2005 – 2006, there were approximately 90 million doses of flu shot available from four manufacturers.  Recommendations were the same as above.  By 2006, it was recommended that all children between 6 months and 5 years old receive the flu shot.  In 2007, that was extended to children up to age 9, and they called for 2 doses of the flu shot for the first time (in children receiving the flu shot for the first time).  The 2008 – 2009 flu season was the first when vaccination of all children under 18 was recommended.

As we can see, the recommendations have expanded greatly in the last decade.  In 2004, only those at high risk were recommended to receive the flu vaccine (children under 2, adults over 65, those with certain health conditions).  By 2008, flu vaccination was recommended across the board.  (And in 2009, we had the H1N1 epidemic, and found that children who had had a seasonal flu shot in 2008 were more likely to get H1N1.)

In the 2014 – 2015 flu season, there will be as many as 159 million doses available.  (This is a 77% increase over the 2005 – 2006 season.)  They also actively recommend the use of the FluMist (which is live and can shed the flu virus for up to 3 weeks post-vaccination) in children ages 2 – 8 years old.

Why the sharp increase in recommendations recently?  And has it actually helped?

Flu Deaths in the 2000s

It’s important to understand that this data includes both flu deaths and pneumonia deaths (which may or may not be caused by flu) and that many of these cases were not laboratory-confirmed flu (until around 2008 – 2009).  These are also mostly guesses, as they survey only 122 cities around the country and extrapolate the data.  They usually estimate high.

Let’s take a look at total flu deaths in people under 18 from 2000 – 2014.  (Source for data from 2000 – 2007).

Flu mortality in people under 18 years of age hasn’t changed appreciably in the last 14 years.

Very few children were vaccinated for flu in the early 2000s, before the recommendation to vaccinate all children under 18 (in 2008).  In the 2007 – 2008 flu season, about 31% of children 17 and under were vaccinated for the flu.  In 2011 – 2012, approximately 51% of children under 18 received the flu vaccine; that jumped to 56.6% in 2012 – 2013.

We’ve seen vaccination rates nearly double in the last 6 years, but flu deaths haven’t changed at all.  In fact, in some years they’ve increased from before the vaccine was recommended.  This does not bode well for the efficacy of the vaccine.  And if the vaccine isn’t effective, why use it?

What Is the Flu Like?

The thing is, the flu is annoying.  But it is a mild illness that does not kill healthy children.  It can (and does) kill children with underlying conditions and weak immune systems.  This is why there has always been a recommendation to give the children at risk a flu shot (and that’s something you can discuss with your doctor if it affects your child).

But there’s no reason to vaccinate healthy children against the flu.  That’s even more true this year, when the CDC is recommending the FluMist for children ages 2 – 8.  If are vaccinated with this live virus and then wipe their noses and touch others (which *all* preschoolers will do…), they can spread the flu to people who have compromised immune systems.

Forget herd immunity.  The true risk here is people who’ve recently received the FluMist.  They do have the live virus in their systems, and they can spread it to others.

For those not at risk (most), the flu basically has these symptoms:

  • Moderate fever
  • Body aches
  • Congestion/runny nose
  • Cough
  • Sore throat
  • Fatigue
  • Low appetite

This usually lasts 2 – 4 days; it can last 7 – 14 in rare cases, if it’s a more severe flu.  Young children occasionally have vomiting or diarrhea with the flu, although if those are the main symptoms it’s not truly “flu,” but more likely gastroenteritis.  In very few cases, the flu can lead to complications like pneumonia and require hospitalization.  It’s important to know that the symptoms above can come with a lot of non-specific respiratory viruses and that feeling “flu-like” does not mean you actually have the flu.  The only way to know for sure is to visit your doctor and get a test done.  Most people are not sick enough to need to do this.

Which is Safer_ The Flu, or the Flu Shot?

What are The Risks of the Flu Shot?

Not only is it largely ineffective against flu (and especially ineffective against the flu-like illness that the shot doesn’t even cover), it comes with risks.

  • In 2013, researchers noted that certain brands of the flu shot were causally linked to the development of narcolepsy in children
  • Researchers noted a small increase in Guillaine-Barre syndrome in those who were vaccinated (they do still conclude the vaccine is better than not, but the data I presented above doesn’t agree)
  • There is no protection against hospitalization from the vaccine in children; and children with asthma were three times as likely to be hospitalized if they received the flu vaccine
  • The flu vaccine contains thimerosal (some types; not all), an ingredient which has not been definitively proven to be safe and which worries many parents
  • According to VAERS, there were 548 very serious reactions to the flu shot from 2000 – 2014 (death, permanent disability, life threatening) in children under 18.  That’s an average of 39 per year, and we can assume that a significant portion wasn’t reported.  This number rivals the number of flu deaths each year in this age group.

Just so we’re clear, the VAERS data can’t prove a causal relationship between the event and the vaccine.  We don’t know the degree of under-reporting, but we do know that there is an under-reporting problem.  And we are comparing deaths alone from flu (because there’s no significant rate of permanent disability) to death/disability/life-threatening for the flu shot.  But I haven’t included hospitalizations or ER visits in either number.

There are no good reasons that I can find, in a healthy population, to get a flu shot.  I don’t usually conclude any posts this way, because I believe in parents making their own choices.  And of course, if you feel that your risk profile and circumstances are different, then you may choose the flu shot.  The evidence, though, is strongly against it for a healthy pediatric population.

Natural Ways to Prevent or Help the Flu

The thing is, there are also plenty of safer, effective natural ways to help prevent or alleviate flu symptoms.  Most people do not need more than home care for this minor illness.  (And please do not get Tamiflu — I rarely say this — but it only slightly reduces the duration of symptoms and comes with very serious side effects.  36% of children in one study experienced adverse reactions, including 6.8% with insomnia and 12.6% with neuropsychiatric symptoms.  And the researchers concluded that this made the drug safe.  Wow.)


Using elderberry at the first sign of illness, or even as a preventative measure during flu season, may help prevent or stop the flu.  One study showed that elderberry was effective at preventing infection.   Another study shows it had a “relatively strong effect.”  Another study showed that patients using elderberry four times a day for five days had their symptoms relieved four days sooner than those taking placebo and needed less medication to cope with symptoms.

Please read my full post all about elderberry for more information on its use, plus my elderberry syrup recipe, or amazing cold recipe (based on elderberry).  Don’t want a diy version? You can buy our elderberry tincture which is shelf stable and will last all season!

Essential Oils

Commercial blends, commonly known as “thieves” blends (Young Living Thieves or DoTERRA OnGuard; other companies make similar blends of cinnamon, clove, sweet orange, ) have been shown to kill the flu virus.  Many mothers put a drop of diluted oil on their children’s feet before they leave the house in the morning, and many also diffuse it into the air.  I usually diffuse.


Probiotics, or healthy bacteria, are known to improve gut health, which can boost overall immunity.  More specifically, probiotics have been shown to reduce viral load and help people get over respiratory viruses faster.  Another study found a “modest benefit” of probiotics on respiratory illnesses.  Another recent study found that probiotics reduce the duration of illness.

Vitamin D

There is evidence that vitamin D supplementation may reduce your risk of the flu.  I choose cod liver oil for my family, which contains both vitamins A and D, plus omega-3 fatty acids.

Vitamin C and Zinc

One study shows that high-dose vitamin C plus zinc may reduce your risk of a cold or other respiratory illnesses.

In short, there are lots of valid, safe ways to protect your family without a flu shot.  These natural methods do not have serious side effects (for most people) and are effective, as shown by the studies I linked to.

We personally have a blend of elderberry and other herbs that we do multiple times a day at the first sign of illness. We also do cod liver oil and probiotics daily.  This has helped to ward off illness for us so far this winter. A couple of people have gotten a minor cold, but most of the family hasn’t gotten anything.  (Which, considering we just left a mold-filled house less than two months ago and our immune systems are down, and some of us were dealing with chronic respiratory illness, is pretty amazing.)

Do you get a flu shot?  How do you keep your family healthy?

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  1. My family got the flu shot once back when we were sheeples. We did it because it was free and we could go across the street to the high school to do it. We all got the flu anyway and I decided then that we weren’t doing THAT again. Then a few years later I learned more about vaccines and how dangerous they could be (and what was in them) and was glad we weren’t *up* on getting the flu shot every year.

    To stay healthy we do lots of things. Thanks to this blog and others, we’ve learned lots of natural ways to stay healthy instead of using modern “medicine”.


  2. My husband and I and our three kids (ages4, 2 and 6 months) got the flu (we assume) two winters ago. It really wasn’t bad, fevers and tired, lowered appetite. We hung out and watched movies for a week! I actually got it a week before Christmas and mostly kicked it in 2 days with lots of garlic and elderberry. The rest of the family got it in February and I didn’t at that time. The baby had the mildest case…probably due to me breastfeeding and having already had it and getting garlic and elderberry through me. We had not been taking elderberry as a preventative that year. Last winter we took elderberry as a preventative and none of us got the flu: http://turn2thesimple.blogspot.com/2013/12/elderberry-our-flu-shot.html


  3. We’ve had the flu a few times, and I’m still more “afraid” of the flu shot than the flu itself. We won’t be getting flu shots, and we rely almost exclusively on natural medicines.


  4. i have never taken the flu shot or had my kids. I believe our immune system is healthy enough and don’t want to risk those toxins in our bodies but now I’m being forced to do this or wear a mask for 6 months!!! My stomach is in knots thinking about this and what I can do to change this mandatory flu shot. If you have any suggestions I would really appreciate it!!


  5. I don’t vaccinate for all the normal reasons and concerns. In short, I’m not a believer. I am willing to take the risk of the diseases vs, the risk of the vaccine. My husband has learned a lot in the last decade and let’s me do that with our children, but he himself is in the military and required to be vaccinated with all their social experimental garbage which drives me crazy, but is beyond my control. He came home last week after getting the flu mist (Still wish he would have told me beforehand). I told all the kids Dad was “sick” and sent him straight to the bathroom to remove all clothing and wash his sinuses out (netty pot type system) with saline water. Then he was treated with natural remedies similar to what you have listed for the next three days. He was pretty worn down the first night, but responded well enough. He is always the sickest out of any of us. Alas… we do what we can. Some day I am going to get him to get out of the military or learn how to go around the requirements. It just bugs me that they use them as social and medical experiments. Thousands at their fingertips they can poke with whatever they deem. GRRR!


  6. No we do not get the flu shot yes we care about health. We keep healthy foods, get vitamin D and keep elderberry around.


  7. I am a nurse and work in a hospital. So far we are not being forced to have one but it is coming. This year when the cdc deems we have any local activity those who did not receive one must wear a mask at all times except when eating. I work 12 hour shifts. I hate flu season. 2 years ago i was pregnant and got the flu as well as my 2 other children. It was pretty mild but my son got an ear infection bad and had yo see the doctor. She said well they probably had the flu but i guess we wont know as you did not have them swabbed. What? who cares. They are fine now. (Not our usual doctor).


  8. Thank you for writing this post about this topic. Unfortunately I’ve always gotten my 3 kids the flu vaccine . As I have read more and more about the flu vaccine I decided this year they will not get one. I don’t know why it took me so long to make this decision and I feel bad of course for making them get the vaccine. I believe I was a sheeple up until recently lol. When I was younger I did get the flu and it sucked but it to me was just more of a stronger cold and I was fine. I’ve always been told by my childrens doctor to always get the flu vaccine because it will prevent them from getting the flu. Whatever! Once again thank you!


  9. Hi!
    My older son (who is 8) never got the flu shot because he was allergic to eggs. He got it for the first time last year at our doctor’s insistence because we had a new baby at home, and he is no longer allergic.

    He never got the flu when he didn’t get the shot. I am not totally sold- I never had a flu shot and I have had the flu.
    WE also have a lot of family members with allergic reactions to thimerasol- a preservative in a lot of vaccines.

    I am undecided about the flu shot this year- i have a lot of pressure but I am leaning towards no.


  10. Factual error I thought you would want to correct.

    “If are vaccinated with this live virus and then wipe their noses and touch others (which *all* preschoolers will do…), they can spread the flu”

    This is not correct. The Flu Mist will not spread “the flu”. The FluMist is a live attenuated vaccine. It can be transmitted to others, but the virus that is transmitted is still attenuated, and not a threat unless you have basically no immune system. For this reason, the FluMist should not be given to individuals who are immunocompromised or to their close contacts.



  11. I always get the flu shot. The one year I did not, I ended up with the flu when I was 7 weeks pregnant. I was hospitalized with respiratory distress, and ended up with a week’s worth of breathing treatments and steroid inhalers. It was incredibly scary, and I was terrified for my baby. While we are both fine now, I do not cite our current “fineness” as a reason that the flu is not that bad. That’s like saying, “Cancer, eh, not so bad!” to a cancer survivor (I’m not equating the flu with the severity of cancer, to be clear). When you are sick it is miserable, and can be very scary, no matter what it is. Avoiding these illnesses by vaccinating myself and my family provides me with a sense of calm, knowing that I am doing everything I can to protect us from unnecessary illness.
    (And before I am accused of being a “Sheeple” I need to add that I have two Master’s Degrees: One in Educational Leadership and Policy and one in Public Health, so I am very capable of researching all sides of the vaccine debate, and, more importantly, aware of what constitutes good research and what does not.)


  12. […] to the flu shot!  If you don’t know what I think of the flu shot, you can read about that here.  Now, dive in to safer and healthier solutions to beat the winter flu […]


  13. I had the flu once, when I was in high school, over 25 years ago. Haven’t had it since. We rarely get sick (I can’t even remember when I last had a cold), thankfully, so we pass on the flu shot.

    Our bodies are so complex and amazing. What works for/happens to one person can’t be assumed to be the same for everyone. We aren’t necessarily the most “crunchy” family out there, and could certainly do more to improve our health. Hubby and I were vaccinated as kids, our kids have had some vaccines. I’m the only one who likes fermented foods, and even I don’t eat them on a regular basis, we mostly eat food I prepare from scratch, but I don’t buy organic all the time, etc…and yet our family rarely gets sick.

    This issue is so complex with so many variables. People let passion take over far too often and bully the opposing side. And, I think, people should just turn off the TV sometimes. And stay off of social media lol.

    Bottom line is we all have a responsibility to do what we believe is best for ourselves and families, which means making informed decisions. Those decisions may be different from what someone else does. Those decisions may even be harmful to others (such as choosing to use FluMist with live virus that sheds). We cannot control what other people do, we can only be aware of the risks and possibilities and do the best we can to prepare, protect and prevent.

    The vitriol that is slung around does not help anyone. I appreciate you writing an informative post that doesn’t bash either side, thank you!


  14. I vaccinate not just for me but for all those people 65+ with respiratory issues. Plus i trust evidence with sources instead of anecdotal “I never got the shot and I never got the flu” responses. This isn’t based in data or science, just people’s personal opinions.


  15. I believe we all need to inform ourselves and see what works best for ourselves and our families. My son has cystic fibrosis with a severely compromised immune system. When he was younger we used to get the flu shot upon his physician’s recommendation. While I would get sick each time (it took me a few years to figure out why), his arm would swell up until was temporarily useless for a few days.
    With this “anecdotal” finding, we decided it was best to stop the recommended annual flu shot. He is 22 now and his doctor knows we don’t do the shot. Every year he says, “Well, let’s hope you don’t get the flu.” 22 years with no flu is a pretty good track record, I think, not counting the few years we DID get the shots. My biggest concern with any vaccination is the preservatives/additives. My son had an anaphylactic reaction to an IV vitamin K (twice!), presumably because of the preservative, even though he safely takes the pill form.
    Nothing is a “one size fits all” and we should be free to choose what works best and is safest for us. I like that you have presented just the facts so we can decide if the risks on either side are worth whatever choice we make. Thank you.


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